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todd metz sr.



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 9:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jim,

I personally like the effort that you are putting into finding a workable solution.

I am also glad to see the rules opened up to allow 195's and dual cam cars.

Also glad to see the rules left alone to the point that the top Spartan cars will still be able to go to other tracks and still be very competitave.

I know that there will be some adjustments to the system as we go imto the season, I just ask that they do not become one's that cost us very much money to do.

As it stands ( for now, lol ) the field of all cars will just be split in half regardless of time?

Just my thought, may need to be 60/40 or something close if cars are very close in time in the middle of the class.

The drivers will not get to choose where they run? Strictly by time?

Will it only be the 4 top " A " qualifiers exempt or will the top 4 " B " cars be exempt also?

I like the thought of any " scratch " drivers being at the back of the " A " feature.

I would assume that if we arrive late and can not qualify we will be put at the end of the " A " also?

You are on the right track and I think this will work if everyone gives it a fair chance.

I know some will feel they are being put into the wrong group and be unhappy and some will feel that they got the better end of the split. That's life....

Just try and stay open minded to what your regular's have to say and once again I want to say that I think it is good that you are trying to improve this class.

Todd Sr.
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Jim Leasure



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 10:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yogi,

As it stands right now we have two different options to look at, a combination of both or maybe some tweaking to either. That is why I am trying to get some input. If tomorrow was the first race event we would go with the first post where the division is split in two.

We got this out early because we think that several eyes looking at something should be more thorough. We will take ideas and think them over, some may fit and as we all know some will not but after some time to evaluate the information a final procedure will be posted.

If a car doesn't qualify it will need to start at the back of the "A".

Drivers can choose in the second option but not the first.

I don't think the top 4 in the "B" can be exempt but that could depend on the version we go with.

Just for the record:
All we did with the class for 2010 is make things a little easier, allowed a few more cars and arranged to have cars that are not quite as competitive to race with their peers. That alone should bring some cars back out that haven't been running the last couple of seasons and give the "entry level" driver a smoother and less intense transition into the "A" division, if they so choose. No money is being required to be spent. A person can buy a safety rim for the right front if they are inclined to do so but it is not a requirement.
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lansingsportsrage.com



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 4:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is there an official set of rules coming out for the Pony's ?

There was a post that some American Brand cars were going to be not allowed, have those been specified yet ?
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Jim Leasure



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Patrick, It looked like the Pony rules have been updated for 2010 already. Jim B. just hasn't changed the menu yet. Jim is working on all of the web pages when he can, everything will be updated soon.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jim Leasure wrote:
Patrick, It looked like the Pony rules have been updated for 2010 already. Jim B. just hasn't changed the menu yet. Jim is working on all of the web pages when he can, everything will be updated soon.


What does "Some multi valve engines are not allowed."

Is there a list of what's not allowed ?
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Jim Leasure



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 7:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Patrck,

I am hesitant to identify all of the vehicles that will not be allowed. I have tried to do so but there are so many that are good with some combo of engines/valves and are not with other combos that it makes my head spin. That is why I inserted a sentence to call before buying or building.

I think it looks obvious that we want to open the class up some but we are not interested in going through another K car deal, where one car dominates. The Neon is the obvious car of choice today, what will be the hot item in a year or so?

We are for opening the rules, just not wide open.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 4:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jim.. as far as I can tell, this is all the makes and models which will be legal under the rules.. i left off the much older 8v stuff.. it might be easiest if you just crossed out the stuff you don't want to see.

CHRYSLER/DODGE:
Avenger - 2.0L DOHC 150hp
Caliber - 1.8L DOHC 148hp, 2.0L DOHC 158hp, 2.4L DOHC 172hp
Neon - 2.0L SOHC 132hp, 2.0 SOHC Magnum 150hp, 2.0L DOHC 150hp
PT Cruiser - 2.4L DOHC 152hp,
Stratus - 2.4L DOHC 152hp

FORD:
Aspire - 1.3L SOHC 63hp
Escort - 1.6L SOHC 68hp, 1.9L SOHC 90hp, 1.9L-H.O. SOHC 110 hp, 1.8L DOHC 127hp, 2.0 SOHC 110hp, 2.0 DOHC 130/140 hp
Festiva - 1.3L SOHC 63hp
Focus - 2.0L SOHC 110hp, 2.0L DOHC ZTech 130hp, 2.3L Duratec 145HP, 2.3L DOHC Duratec 151hp
Probe - 2.2L SOHC 110hp, 2.0L DOHC 118hp
Tempo - 2.3L SOHC 86hp, 2.3L HSO SOHC 100hp

GM/CHEVY/PONTIAC/SATURN:
Astra - 1.8L DOHC 138hp
Aveo - 1.6L DOHC 103hp
Cavalier & Sunfire - 1.8L SOHC 88hp, 2.0L SOHC 88hp, 2.2L SOHC 95hp, 2.2L SOHC mpi 120 hp, 2.3L DOHC 150hp, 2.4L DOHC 150hp, 2.2L DOHC 140hp.
Cobalt & G5- 2.2L DOHC 145hp, 2.4L DOHC 173hp
Grand Am - 2.3L SOHC 120hp, 2.3 DOHC 160hp, 2.3L DOHC HO 180hp
HHR - 2.2L DOHC 143hp, 2.2L DOHC 172hp
Ion - 2.2L DOHC 140hp, 2.4L DOHC 175hp
Prism - 1.6L DOHC 105hp, 1.6L DOHC 130hp, 1.8L DOHC 115hp, 1.8L DOHC 125hp
S-Series - 1.9L SOHC 100hp, 1.9L DOHC 124hp
Storm - 1.6L SOHC 95hp, 1.6L DOHC 130hp, 1.8L DOHC 140hp

I gleaned this info from http://consumerguideauto.howstuffworks.com/consumer-guide-used-car-search.htm using their technical specifications tab (sample of Geo : http://consumerguideauto.howstuffworks.com/2000-geo-chevrolet-metro-13.htm) feel free to fact check...
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 9:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the only one i see in your list that wouldn't be legal is the Neon with the magnum head. it only came on the acr neons and those are listed as not legal, but that should be changed in my opinion because they are competitive with the dohc cars so why not allow the magnum head. If the dohc heads are allowed then the magnum head that is right from the factory should be also.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 12:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not sure that they should all be allowed... but most of them anyhow.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 10:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

lansingsportsrage.com wrote:
Jim.. as far as I can tell, this is all the makes and models which will be legal under the rules.. i left off the much older 8v stuff.. it might be easiest if you just crossed out the stuff you don't want to see.

CHRYSLER/DODGE:
Avenger - 2.0L DOHC 150hp
Caliber - 1.8L DOHC 148hp, 2.0L DOHC 158hp, 2.4L DOHC 172hp
Neon - 2.0L SOHC 132hp, 2.0 SOHC Magnum 150hp, 2.0L DOHC 150hp
PT Cruiser - 2.4L DOHC 152hp,
Stratus - 2.4L DOHC 152hp

FORD:
Aspire - 1.3L SOHC 63hp
Escort - 1.6L SOHC 68hp, 1.9L SOHC 90hp, 1.9L-H.O. SOHC 110 hp, 1.8L DOHC 127hp, 2.0 SOHC 110hp, 2.0 DOHC 130/140 hp
Festiva - 1.3L SOHC 63hp
Focus - 2.0L SOHC 110hp, 2.0L DOHC ZTech 130hp, 2.3L Duratec 145HP, 2.3L DOHC Duratec 151hp
Probe - 2.2L SOHC 110hp, 2.0L DOHC 118hp
Tempo - 2.3L SOHC 86hp, 2.3L HSO SOHC 100hp

GM/CHEVY/PONTIAC/SATURN:
Astra - 1.8L DOHC 138hp
Aveo - 1.6L DOHC 103hp
Cavalier & Sunfire - 1.8L SOHC 88hp, 2.0L SOHC 88hp, 2.2L SOHC 95hp, 2.2L SOHC mpi 120 hp, 2.3L DOHC 150hp, 2.4L DOHC 150hp, 2.2L DOHC 140hp.
Cobalt & G5- 2.2L DOHC 145hp, 2.4L DOHC 173hp
Grand Am - 2.3L SOHC 120hp, 2.3 DOHC 160hp, 2.3L DOHC HO 180hp
HHR - 2.2L DOHC 143hp, 2.2L DOHC 172hp
Ion - 2.2L DOHC 140hp, 2.4L DOHC 175hp
Prism - 1.6L DOHC 105hp, 1.6L DOHC 130hp, 1.8L DOHC 115hp, 1.8L DOHC 125hp
S-Series - 1.9L SOHC 100hp, 1.9L DOHC 124hp
Storm - 1.6L SOHC 95hp, 1.6L DOHC 130hp, 1.8L DOHC 140hp

I gleaned this info from http://consumerguideauto.howstuffworks.com/consumer-guide-used-car-search.htm using their technical specifications tab (sample of Geo : http://consumerguideauto.howstuffworks.com/2000-geo-chevrolet-metro-13.htm) feel free to fact check...


any effort or attempts considered on this ?
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Racer 52



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 21, 2009 8:07 pm    Post subject: A and B classes Reply with quote

Jim,
I'll be new and racing at Spartan in 2010

I understand that they will be divided on time however I may have a suggestion for rookies such as myself who have never raced and to keep them with the B main cars unless they happen to be fast enough to run with those guys in the A main, The problem I see with that is the experience issue, I don't have a problem with being fast but would hate to take out someone due to a quote rookie mistake. I realize this would be a problem if the car count was to low to run two separate features but I believe I made a point.

Fortunately I have some great resources helping me build my car to make it both safe and fast, I just don't want to cause any problems with anyone because of a stupid mistake on my part and I'm not saying that can't happen in the B main but I believe I should be running with peers of my same experience

Bill Graves
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Jim Leasure



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 8:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Bill, Welcome to Spartan Speedway. The car counts will likely be down at the beginning of the season so if you want to ease into the action just start at the rear of the field. Also Bill will give some instructions at the drivers meeting regarding where to be if you are being lapped. On top of all that you will be wearing a raceceiver and the Race Director (Bill Lackey) will also be able to give you instructions while you are racing..

If you have any questions you need answered feel free to call the office. If I am not in I will return your call.

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