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lansingsportsrage.com



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 10:38 am    Post subject: FWD Pure Stock - Top 3 List Reply with quote

Based on the current set of Pure Stock Rules..

What do people think would be the best FWD cars to make a pure stock out of ?
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lansingsportsrage.com



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 8:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

70 topic views and not one opinion.

People either don't care about this class or don't know anything about it.

Either way, that's a pretty strong statement.
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Mopar93



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 8:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Or maybe 70 people are interested in the same answers you're looking for.

I was one of those 70 waiting to see what other opinions were. So, instead, I'll get the ball rolling with my preferences.

Of course, I'm biased toward the Mopars, so those are my first choices.

For a RWD Pure Stock, my first choice would be a 73-78 midsize Dodge or Plymouth. This would be the Dodge Coronet, Plymouth Fury, Chrysler Cordoba, etc. These have rear leaf springs and front longitudinal torsion bars with height adjusters. The height adjusters are commonly known as "weight jackers". These cars can run a 360, 400, or 440.

My second choice would be a Dodge Aspen, Plymouth Volare, Dodge Diplomat, Dodge Mirada, or 81-83 Chrysler Cordoba. These also have rear leaf springs, but with front "transversely" mounted torsion bars. The torsion bar design isn't as good as the longitudinal one, but it still comes with height adjusters. These cars can run a 360 with 4bbl.

For a FWD Pure Stock, my first choice would be a Dodge Dynasty. The engine choice is a toss-up between the 3.0 or 3.3.

My second choice would be a 98 up Dodge Intrepid with the 3.5 engine.

The Dynasty would probably outhandle the Intrepid, but the Interpid would outmotor the Dynasty.

Most everyone else seems to like the Chevy Caprice.

-Maurice
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Russ Potter



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 9:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Patrick,
I think Maurice is way out in left field somewhere. Rolling Eyes The best FWD is a 1995 Chrysler Concorde with the 3.3. It just so happens that I have one that has been repaired and is still for sale. Laughing
Russ


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 9:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maurice,
What makes you think the Dynasty will outhandle the Intrepid? Question
The Intrepid is a cab forward design with the wheels spread out to the corners, and the engine is a straight forward design with the bulk of it's weight in front of the axles. I wish you would have hotlapped the Concorde so you could compare. How about building and sponsoring a Dynasty for some new driver that needs the help? Wink
Russ
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Mopar93



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 9:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Russ,

Quote:
What makes you think the Dynasty will outhandle the Intrepid?


I'll explain after your next statement.

Quote:
The Intrepid is a cab forward design with the wheels spread out to the corners, and the engine is a straight forward design with the bulk of it's weight in front of the axles.


That's the problem. Too much weight ahead of the front axle. Yes, you want weight on the front axle, but not out in front of it. In the corner, you're flinging that weight away from the tires.

The Dynasty engine sits transversly as opposed to the longitudinal mounting of the Intrepid/Concorde/LHS engine mounting. The bulk of the engine weight sits closer to the centerline of the front wheels on the Dynasty as opposed to the Intrepid. That means that there is more weight concentrated on top of the axle as opposed to being out in front of it.

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How about building and sponsoring a Dynasty for some new driver that needs the help?


Yeah, that would go over real well, especially if "some new driver" wins a bunch of races driving my car.

On the other hand, I DO have a 1989 Dynasty that will never see the road again. It could be a Pure Stock. Maybe I'll find some time this winter. Cool

-Maurice
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 10:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Maurice for the info. Get that Dynasty built for 07 so we can see if your reasoning holds water! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 12:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now see.. that wasn't so hard.

Now.. What does TORG think about this ?

Or how about TRICKNOLOGY, Arnold's usually got some good opinions.

I can't help but wonder how a Ford Taurus SHO V6 would run.

Or how about a Pontiac Grand Prix GTP Wide Track wth a 3800 V6.

This might be sacrelidge.. but the Toyota Camry V6 puts out 268hp, would seem to me that would make a kick'n pure stock.

Opinions, Thoughts, Idea, Contributions... lets hear it !
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 12:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you can run V8 RWD automatic car, is there any reason you can't run V8 FWD automatic car ?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lansingsportsrage.com wrote:
If you can run V8 RWD automatic car, is there any reason you can't run V8 FWD automatic car ?


Yes, there is a reason. The rules state V6 only.

-Maurice
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I realize the rule state v6 fwd and v8 rwd.. but why not v8 fwd ?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 3:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tricknology wrote:
Please copy and post this on the Spartan message board, I am having trouble logging in, and do not know why, it keeps saying that my board name ( tricknology) and my E-mail do not match.???

maybe a....


1998-2002 Oldsmobile Intrigue: Highlights

Comes with a DOHC 3.5 L V6 or a 3800 v6.

Similar in structure to the Buick Regal and Pontiac Grand Prix, Oldsmobile's new front-drive midsize sedan flaunted an importlike personality. Introduced in May 1997 as an early '98 model, Intrigue replaced the Cutlass Supreme. Styling differed considerably from the Regal and Grand Prix. Intrigue also diverged in its chassis tuning, equipment, and some dimensions. Wheelbase, for instance, was 1.5 inches shorter for the Intrigue than for Pontiac's Grand Prix.

Link to specs.....


http://auto.consumerguide.com/Auto/Used/reviews/full/index.cfm/id/2332/act/usedcarreviewspecs/


Trick said..
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 3:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tell Tricknology he hasn't registered for this new message board yet.

-Maurice
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 5:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't really know what FWD car would be the best, but regardless of what car it is I think some strong consideration should be given to allowing these cars to strengthen the unibody frames. Right now these cars wouldn't stand up to even a moderate hit without being ruined.
Allowing the cars to "X" and/or tie these frames up (similar to what the unibody Camaros/Novas do) would make the cars more durable, and most importantly safer. There would be no competitive advantage that I can see (since everyone could do it) and it isn't all that expensive.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 9:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know this is an old thread but....

lansingsportsrage.com worte:
I can't help but wonder how a Ford Taurus SHO V6 would run.

Or how about a Pontiac Grand Prix GTP Wide Track wth a 3800 V6.

I got a chuckle out of that. Patrick got his wish on one of those cars, and doing fairly well with it.

Now, a Pontiac Grand Prix GTP, can't help you there Patrick, but I will be picking your brain on my newest acquisition, a 1997 Pontiac Grand Prix GT with a 3800 series II.

Got any handling tips? (wink)

Mike

BTW, does Springport allow superchargers?
http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/car/394516764.html
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