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Mopar93
Joined: 26 Jul 2006
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Location: Charlotte, Michigan
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Is FWD Pure Stock going to be run a separate class or are they done ?
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Yes, they will still run together with the RWD cars. Their rules are essentially unchanged for 2007. If RWD is too fast for FWD or vice-versa, we'll look at both sets of rules and work on making them as equal as possible. Don't know until the season starts. We need more than 2-6 cars to really know what is going on.
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What is American Made ?
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You've brought this up before. We've explained it before. 1996 Nissan Maximas are not American made.
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What constitutes "No special or custom tires"
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That should be quite understandable. Does the wording need to be different?
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lansingsportsrage.com
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| Mopar93 wrote: | | You've brought this up before. We've explained it before. 1996 Nissan Maximas are not American made. |
Actually, it wasn't explained at all.. it was talked around. And I realize that Maxima's aren't American Made... but whether a Mazda M6, Toyota Solora or Honda Prelude are wasn't.. and so I'm asking again.. exactly what defines what is and what is not "American Made". that's all I'm asking.
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That should be quite understandable. Does the wording need to be different?
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Let's say that tomorrow Pirellei introducing a new DOT street radial with a 301 rating.. is that "special" because its new ? What if its a Goodyear ? Are new brands or models "special" even if they come from a traditional manufacturer... what if its a new manufacturer or another foriegn maker ? If you get a tire shaved, is that "custom". What if its soaked. It just seems to me that "special" and "custom" are very vague terms which lend them to future problems. I recognize that rules folks might want some wiggle room, I'm just checking to see if there is a guideline being used. |
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Ed
Joined: 26 Jul 2006
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Location: Jonesville Mi
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| i am quit disappointed in the no stick shift thing. A little weight just like th eneons and bam you will get more guys who travel.Two of us have shown interest but there would be more. |
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torg38
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/techpage.jsp?techid=136
As a general rule, tires should not be mixed on any vehicle unless specified as acceptable by the tire or vehicle manufacturer. Drivers should avoid mixing tires with different tread patterns, internal constructions or sizes, and use identical tires on all of their vehicle's wheel positions in order to maintain the best control and stability. Additionally, drivers should never mix winter tires with all-season/summer tires, or mix run-flat tires with non-run-flat tires.
The third option, choosing alternative tires, should only be considered as a temporary solution in an emergency situation. Using alternative tires from different tire performance categories, with alternate sizes or different speed ratings can unbalance the vehicle's handling in poor weather or when pushed to the limit in an emergency.
Because tires play such an important role in every vehicle's comfort qualities and handling capabilities, it is always best to drive on tires that are identical in every detail, including tire brand, model, size and remaining tread depth. Anything else involves some type of compromise.
Point 1 :Should we be compromising the safety of the racers? Would you let your child race in a class that compromises their safety??)
Point 2 : The Neons came with 195’s Why are you making them use narrower tires?
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Mopar93
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Hi Patrick,
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exactly what defines what is and what is not "American Made".
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As far as the rules for the Street Stock and Pure Stock classes go, American Made means Chevrolet, Pontiac, Oldsmobile, Buick, Ford, Mercury, Chrysler, Dodge, Plymouth, etc.
It does not include Toyota, Honda, Nissan, Mazda, etc.
Do you understand the difference?
I know, NASCAR has finally given in, but by the same token, Toyota isn't pumping millions of dollars into Spartan Speedway, either.
Now let's talk about more productive stuff. 
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lansingsportsrage.com
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| Mopar93 wrote: | Hi Patrick,
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exactly what defines what is and what is not "American Made".
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As far as the rules for the Street Stock and Pure Stock classes go, American Made means Chevrolet, Pontiac, Oldsmobile, Buick, Ford, Mercury, Chrysler, Dodge, Plymouth, etc.
It does not include Toyota, Honda, Nissan, Mazda, etc.
Do you understand the difference?
I know, NASCAR has finally given in, but by the same token, Toyota isn't pumping millions of dollars into Spartan Speedway, either.
Now let's talk about more productive stuff.
-Maurice |
No, I don't know the difference, I stand right in front of Ford Probe and I see a Mazda 6. I stand right in front of Dodge Stealth and I see a Mitsubshi 3000GT.. I open the hood on a Ford Taurus and it says Yamaha. Nope, I don't get it and I don't want to. I realize why the dinosaurs died, they failed to adapt to a change in the environment.
And your right, Toyota isn't pouring Millions into Spartan.. they can't !! Spartan won't let them in.
Just keep chasing cars away, you'll have your Condo's at College/Cedar in no time. |
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Jim B
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Location: Mason
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It's going to be a long cold winter.  |
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queenbee
Joined: 30 Jul 2006
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Hey Jim B.
Whatz'up? Cold winter??? That's why you pay your heat bill LOL.
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Jim B
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| I just meant it was going to be hard to read > Is to ...... Is not < for 5 months. |
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Mopar93
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Point 2 : The Neons came with 195’s Why are you making them use narrower tires?
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The Neons may have come with a 195 from the factory, but they were in a lower profile such as a 60 or 65 series. They were shorter tires. No Neon was ever shipped from the factory with a 195/70-14. They are too tall. They won't fit under the stock lower spring mount of the strut without making modifications.
There is nothing unsafe about mixing tires on various corners of a race car. Racers do it all the time when the rules allow it. The front and rear of these Pony stocks are like two different animals. 4 identical tires may not be the optimum way to go.
If anyone feels it is unsafe to run 185's on the front of a Neon and 195's on the rear, then just put 185's all the way around. Likewise, on Neons as well as any of the other cars, if you feel it is unsafe to put Sumitomos on the rear and something else on the front, then just put non-Sumitomo tires all the way around.
But I can guarantee you that even though a Sumitomo is no longer allowed on the front, by running a Sumitomo on the right rear, you will have faster lap times than you will get with a non-Sumitomo tire on the right rear. Therefore, everyone can use up their existing Sumitomo tires on the right rear and left rear.
In 2006 and previous years, you could walk around the pits and find several cars using "mix and match" tires on various corners of their cars. No problem has ever occured due to this.
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Point 2 : The Neons came with 195’s Why are you making them use narrower tires?
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Answer #2 : The Neons have a slight competitive advantage and adding more weight or restricting the exhaust more is not the way to go. More weight will add more stress to the hubs and wheels while restricting the exhaust more might be bad for the engine. So, since a 195 tire won't physically fit a Neon without modifying the "stock" suspension, we used a tire rule to help limit the cornering ability just slightly to help even up the compeition.
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Ed
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| I see when I jumped over to the mstrc web site the post was also put up that some owosso guys where distipointed about the manual trans.. you should rethink it. Every car that shows up has at least two paying people with it.. 3 or 4 more cars is atleast 120 more a night ..I know not alot untill you add in food and 20 night of racing. |
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Mopar93
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| Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 12:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Ed wrote: | | I see when I jumped over to the mstrc web site the post was also put up that some owosso guys where distipointed about the manual trans.. you should rethink it. Every car that shows up has at least two paying people with it.. 3 or 4 more cars is atleast 120 more a night ..I know not alot untill you add in food and 20 night of racing. |
Those guys are talking about their RWD Mini Stocks, not FWD cars.
If we have 4-cylinder OPEN events on Sundays in 2007, they will most likely be allowed to run with our Pony Stocks. But I can't say for sure until the schedule is posted.
The "no manual trans" rule applies to our normal Pony Stocks.
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Mopar93
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Here's another part of the Pony Stock tire rule for 2007:
"Any tire used on any corner of the car must be readily available to
the general public from multiple US tire dealers and must sell for a
retail price below $75."
-Maurice |
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lansingsportsrage.com
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| Mopar93 wrote: | Here's another part of the Pony Stock tire rule for 2007:
"Any tire used on any corner of the car must be readily available to
the general public from multiple US tire dealers and must sell for a
retail price below $75."
-Maurice |
That's a pretty fair and easy to follow rule. Quick Question: Does multiple dealers mean multiple (2+) companies or does a company with two or more locations qualify ? |
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Mopar93
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| Quote: | | Does multiple dealers mean multiple (2+) companies or does a company with two or more locations qualify ? |
One company with more than one location would still be "one dealer".
The intention of this rule is to prevent anyone from gaining a distinct advantage with their tires. This is intended to keep out rare, exotic, and hard to get tires.
What one company with multiple locations do you have in mind? If there is a particular tire that is only available from one major source with many locations around the country, we would consider allowing it. Submit the tire you have in mind and we'll see if it should qualify.
Many of these so-called dealers scattered around the country can "get you" a tire. In those cases, they would all be shipping from one warehouse located somewhere in the country.
We want readily available "off the shelf" tires to be used, tires that are in stock and ready to ship from multiple locations, not just one warehouse.
Major tip: Keep an eye on the tires the Torg group chooses to run. They are pretty good at picking out the right tire. Besides, Mark has access to the Chrysler proving grounds where he works. Also, they don't mind helping fellow Pony Stock racers. All you have to do is ask.
-Maurice |
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