[torg38]

I too agree that tires are a huge part of what keep the cars in shop. I haven't raced my super in two years because of the tire bills. In the pony class the tires are lasting a full season. So it's a no-brainer to race what you can afford. Mg
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[Darel Woolsey]

hey everyone, just my 2 cents worth, but the cost of superlatemodel racing has gotten out of hand to the point i cant afford it. i have 2 latemodels sitting at home. one that just needs me to put the motor in, and i just dont have the money to do it. i wanted to race at spartan this year with the latemodel, but i hate the tire impound rule. heres the reason why. you need 2 sets of tires on an impound deal. one set to stay at the track, and one set to have on the car at the shop to set your car up on. all tires makes are diffrent sized side wall height and width, which if you try to set up your car on a different set you can see throws it all off. so in fact to race that way just to start out is gonna cost you 800 in tires. i know you can buy take offs that have been impounded, but thay arent going to be any good. i really miss racing the latemodel class, but with the economy the way it is its just not that feasable for many of us. also on the tires , if spartan and the other tracks that ran latmodels would get together and come up with a single tire ran at all the tracks im sure the car count would go up. AND DROP THE TIRE IMPOUND RULE. if i can afford to then later this summer i hope to be back in the latemodel. just my two cents. DAREL

[Mrs. T2]

[jeff finley]

Its great to see the imput here.I agree with the tire issue.Wayne at Mcreary tire is a great person and i have a lot of respect for.He has always been fair and honest but the fact of the matter is spartan is the only track in michigan running this tire.I know paul and jim have a lot of respect for wayne as well.That is a very sensative issue but i honestly beleive we would get more cars the instant we ran the hoosier 970.Like angola,berlin,kzoo and galesburg ect ect ect.But thats there call and we can only hope they look at it.Gary its great to have your imput and hope your health is well.Darrell we got tires for ya.You will need to buy 2 right sides to be real good.But we can get ya 4 to start on no problem.Sorry Mrs t no motors.Keep it coming this how we get our issues out to be resolved.Respectfully Jeff Finley www.chadfinley.com

[gunner]

The common tire idea seems to make sense. For those of us not intimate with the internal workings of the sport, can you shed a bit of light on why it is a sensitive issue?

I apologize for confusing you with your brother.

[jeff finley]

With the race purses dropping they are trying to make it more affordable and keep the tire soaking issue at bay by impounding your tires and allowing you 2new tires a week.420.00 per set versuses 210.00 a week.It pays 175.00 to start the feature.The Mc creary tire over the Hoosier tire is just that.Chevy versuses Ford and on and on.Hope it helps.Jeff No problem with me for Doug it happens all the time.

[Lack o Diesel]

Just a thought from someone looking in. Usually I try not mess with someone else's division but just maybe I can offer something. What would be a fair way to make weight breaks, or rule changes to allow a wet sump cast head motor to run. Possibly crate's. Not sure how it could be made fair but anything to help car count. If I could afford it I would do double duty every night. My heart resides in the modifieds, but Supers are Supers that's the best way to put it. The way I see it, is if we can get the car counts up. I'm talking enough for a consi in all the divisions, the crowd will come back. The track starts making some money, the payoff will follow. But right now we all want what the track doesn't have, a surplus of free money. Jeff I love what your doing here, you want this track to survive with the Supers present. It's obvious that it is your intent to just help. Short track racing as a whole needs some help, let's all band together and do what we can. Maybe a car show somewhere or something.

[Lack o Diesel]

What will it take to get as many cars as possible to the Michigan Cup at Springport Sep. 14-16. This race has never been with out the Supers and a good field of cars in all divisions. This track really needs the good showing. What can we do? Let's help save this track and put on the best show in Michigan period no questions asked.


Perry

[KT]

K-Zoo and Berlin both have tire impound rules and they get cars. I know people will say, "there is money over there" and I agree but there are people on budgets racing there. I personally beleive the impound rule and 2 a night is a good rule.

Here is the weight rule that K-Zoo runs, this has helped the LLM be competitive with the SLM. There are some very fast big spring wet sump motor cars at K-Zoo.

Minimum weight to be checked be qualifying and before the start of the feature. Weights will be as follows: Cars with cast iron heads and no dry sump systems will weigh 2700lbs, cars with aluminum heads and dry sumps will weigh 2800lbs.

The 970 also helps out the cars with less horsepower because it is harder to hook them up. I think the 970 would be a good tire for Spartan, maybe even only allow 1 tire to be purchased a night with the impound.

Jeff, I beleive that Berlin is running the 1070, 10" slick, in the late models this year, not the 970.

Another cost saver is not allowing alluminum wheels. I know guys have them now but maybe faze them out and only allow steel.
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[torg38]

With tire technology always improving why are we running 1960’s bias ply tires anyway. Maybe we should look at running a DOT radial. If there good enough for 20000 miles on vipers and corvettes. I would think they would last more than a couple of weeks.
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[queenbee]

Ok, how much does ASA people pay for redial tires??



From what I understand you can not get the stager in such a wide variety. They are pretty well set with 1 or 2 options. But, you know what we can do is have you pay $200/tire if that's what everyone whats.

[gunner]

Perry,

Just my thoughts, but I am not a racer, just a fan:

1) Guarantee the purse
2) Distribute the purse through the field
3) Open up the tire rule(s)
4) Give a weight break to crates and iron
5) Recriut the drivers/cars that you want/need in particular

Then, to get the fans and give them a good show (IMO), have the drivers committed ahead of time and advertise / promote the heck our of it. Pay $ or points to make qualifying matter. Have a dash and dash drivers are in the feature. Heats lined up inverted based on qualifying time from slowest at the front of the first heat to fastest at the back of the last heat . Have heat finish postion determine feature start position.

[Dennis ONeil]

Hey, I know a little (perhaps very little) about what it takes to race. From the racer side it's about fun, competition, fun, good times, and fun. No one is going to pursue something that is not fun, or should I say mentally rewarding, for a hobby. Of course affordability enters into it, otherwise there would only be a top class. From the promoter side enters the supply and demand factor. Fans = dollars and pit passes = dollars. Typically the class that brings in the most dollars from fans and pit passes should be the promoter’s best asset. The SLM class has always brought a lot of fans. The key is to bring a lot of cars. If SLM drivers want higher purses, they need more cars. The promoter might consider increasing payoff as his income increases, but in a tough economy it’s almost impossible to increase pay as car counts and fan counts diminish. Maybe for an idea on how to get and keep more cars, those interested should talk to Ron Flinn at Crystal Motor Speedway where late model car counts have increased (to 30+) over the past few seasons, while his overall car count is 130 or more a night.
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[gunner]

Here is a little insight on where the racres "are". Last night at Angoal (Jim Leasure was in attendance and even raced) they tried something a bit different by inverting the heats based on qualifying times, and then used heat finish position to determine feature start position. They did this for the mods and SLM. There were 18 SLM. Anyway, it made for some good racing and plenty of passing, even though many ofthe drivers were complaining about it. After the mod feature, they asked the winner if he thought the heat race helped him get ready for and in position for his feature win. His response was that he really didn't like to have to work that hard in a heat race. I still can't beleive he said that, but it may show where some of the drivers heads are at. Racing is a bit different than hot-rodding, or it should be.